I got in huge trouble hosting one of these when I was a kid.

I saw some call-to-arms post that got me excited for the free internet and set it up on my parents' residential service.

You can imagine the fallout. No permanent damage though.

I ran an exit node about 15y ago on a free IP. After a few weeks, I found malware files (not deployed) on the desktop. They reappeared after deletion a few times. I concluded the experiment and wiped the system.

Some time later I tried running a middle relay (VM non-persistent live distro) but Dan List (then) didn't differentiate between between exit and other node types and my public IP kept getting blacklisted. I eventually gave up.

There are still blacklists that don't differentiate. They'll even list it as "verified malicious activity originating from the host", and security products that gather all IP blacklist services and take them at face value will block your IP.

Well? Tell us the story. What happened?

Certainly seems intended to drive Workspace subscriptions, but I wonder how many of those users will sign up for Office instead.

I think a general understanding is still useful, you just don't need all of the details anymore.

The brain loves these kinds of shortcuts.

I don't need to think about the fine motor skills of hitting a baseball, it's just a motion now, and the game is still fun.

But how would you feel if you imagined hitting the ball and a robot arm hit it instead?

Because that's how creating software is starting to feel.

And, any time you mentioned getting a bit better at hitting a ball after practicing over your weekend, a bunch of people carrying printouts of generic exponential graphs jumped out to call you a Luddite who should sell his gear ASAP while it still has any value and or else it's "cope".

I think it's hilarious that this detail is enough for me to dismiss looking into the model, but here we are, and it is.

Luna saw a huge jump after the price cut and is one of the more competitive models at the new price on openrouter.

Maybe they want to see how much market they can grab with Sol?

This might help but there are already cheaper models with Sol's intelligence more or less, the most notable being Grok 4.6 at $6/m which makes it a tougher sell

It's really only between Anthropic and OpenAI for many of my use cases, since I have a Zero Data Retention agreement with both. I'm not trusting random inference providers and especially not Elmo with sensitive data.

or Tinfoil [0]? They serve open models with container integrity attested by Nvidia/AMD enclaves. Every cloud provider offers this of course, but not usually in a way that can be shared between distrusting users for economical inference. It still relies on the open-source containers being secure, and there's probably hardware sidechannels and stuff, but personally (ie privacy not liability) I trust it more than a contract

[0] https://tinfoil.sh

I loaded credits into Tinfoil the other day and have had zero issues, thanks to smart folks around here and the security space recommending it.

It's now my open weight inference provider of choice, since on top of the privacy/security characteristics it's also reasonably cheap.

Their prices are extremely high compared to the competition on https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731 fyi.

tinfoil asks more than 10x the output cost ... $1.90 per 1M tokens instead of $0.18 per 1M tokens for my favorite model (Deepseek V4 Flash 0731) on my favorite provider (DeepInfra) currently, for example.

OpenRouter does not offer private inference, so your plaintext is shared with companies you may not even know by name.

Tinfoil OTOH claims hardware attestation and confidential computing, which is a pretty strong and (in theory) verifiable promise.

You absolutely would not recommend tinfoil.sh to someone indifferent to privacy trying to save money.

It's a very different service than OpenRouter.

plenty of companies offer ZDR and are just as random as OpenAI and Anthropic in their age

Would love a few names. Many of them fail to provide good uptime for large scale jobs or don’t have batch apis at all in my research.

DigitalOcean does inference, has good uptime and offers ZDR. They are not an AI first/inference first company. They have been serving cloud products for almost 2 decades.

Batch API is a bit harder, not many models/providers support Batch. It primarily is only the Gemini/ChatGPT/Claude models that do. DigitalOcean does support a 50% discount on Batch API via them directly, not listed on OpenRouter.

[1] https://docs.digitalocean.com/products/inference/how-to/use-...

Deepinfra is US based and has ZDR FYI.

I am quite happy with them so far.

You do not have a ZDR with Anthropic.

For Mythos and even Fable they require prompt retention on their end.

edit: or more precisely if you want to access Mythos/Fable ZDR does not apply, and depending on config the exclusion can affect other models.

I don't have experience directly with Anthropic, but I wouldn't assume anything with such high confidence without knowing the persons situation. No, an individual off the street or with an LLC and 5 employees isn't going to get a special deal from someone like Anthropic.

But if their employer is bringing millions of dollars of potential spend to the table, can tell you from years of experience that turns a lot of 'no's' to 'yes'.

The three letter agencies have and will continue make sure all of those "yes's" become "no's" again, which is why the person you're trying to claim is wrong is right and you are wrong.

You do not have ZDR with fable/mythos, nor will you ever have it again. The bedrock customers who thought they had ZDR learned rather rudely that this was not the case after the government decision that also banned non US citizens from using these models.

I use Notion Enterprise specifically for its Zero Data Retention (ZDR) access. Fable does not offer ZDR, so Notion provides a dedicated settings toggle that disables Fable outright.

I work for a large enterprise and fable/mythos are specifically banned because of the difference in data retention agreements from those models to other Anthropic models.

Since when does Grok 4.6 have Sol 5.6's intelligence? I don't believe it.

I do have free sol and cursor ultra for 200 I prefer grok over sol, they are equally capable but grok is faster

I use Grok 4.6 every day; it's good, but it's not Opus 5 or Sol 5.6. The gap is closing, though.

Why not?

Because it’s good on benchmarks but not on real usage?

But OP said they've never used it. How would they know?

It doesn't.

I wonder if xAI is A/B testing routing some difficult grok 4.6 queries to Sol to seed some true believers.

SOL 5.6 usage actually looks unchanged on the day https://openrouter.ai/provider/openai

I'd be surprised if they closed out over 100B tokens today (they did 101B on sol 5.6 yesterday).

Are they durable?

If I can ruin the screen with my fingernail, I'm completely uninterested.

I've had three different galaxy fold zs and each one has had a broken interior screen. My current fold has a broken internal screen and I'm on vacation.

The inner screen is definitely not as durable as the outer one. I've not tried it, but it does feel like a hard press with a fingernail will leave a mark.

My dad is in construction and has gone through at least 4 flips that I know of in the time that I've had my S25, probably more.

By durable I guess I mean they don't destroy themselves just by existing.

You can use an external drive if it's mounted as a writable volume. I would make sure it's fast, maybe thunderbolt 3/4/5 enclosure with a fast drive.

FYI, Thunderbolt 3 NVMe enclosures will be 10Gbps and 4 will be 40Gbps which is a big difference (and you'll notice it in the pricing as well)

Yep, I chucked it a file on my desktop: index.html present Max individual file size 25MB Total file count <2000 Total size less than 100MB

My friends can't ride horses as well as they used to, they've been using cars to get around too much.

Sure horses are more efficient, but cars are faster and more convenient, and allow you to get a lot more done.

Also cars will get better in our lifetime, horses are horses.

Just try to take those same friends who drive everywhere on a (walking) trail hike inside the city, then come back to report.

Your analogy doesn't make very much sense.

Perhaps it would be better to compare somebody who drives a car vs someone who used to drive but now uses Uber.

Writing code seems more like walking to me; at least it is the most manual way of getting a computer program. Horses might be more like one of those low-code/no-code solutions (it really fits, they are useful but very opinionated, so not always cooperative). And, the situation with AI seems a bit worrying for them.

To continue the modified analogy, if your friends lost the ability to walk, you’d be quite worried, right?

"My friends can't reason as well as they used to, they've been using LLMs to do their reasoning for them." is going to be the eventual outcome. What's the point in getting more done if it ruins your mind in the process?

Cool, I also use AI as a tool.